Related: https://github.com/codewars/codewars.com/issues/2418

Hello saudiGuy,

Ultimately, I completely agree with your overriding sentiment that it is time to put this sad, sorry and upsetting episode in the past and move on

The only reason I mentioned that I have solved nearly 1900 Kata on CodeWars was to try and portray:

(a)
By virtue of the number of Kata I have solved, I must logically be a reasonable programmer

(In this regard, I do not claim to be the best programmer in the world and there is absolutely no doubt that there are far, far better programmers than myself just on this website alone)

and

(b)
I rarely ask the author of the challenge to review the tests that have been programmed

(I am generally wary of leaving any Comments for fear of a 'keyboard warrior' response like has been seen in this conversation trail)

With regards to the aspect of authenticness:

(a)
I can very safely say that I have solved every Kata on this website honestly

and

(b)
I have no basis to believe that any other Codewars user may be solving Kata dishonestly (and I think I would share the same contempt as yourself for anyone that is using this site dishonestly to gain false credit)

As we have now both said, it is now time to consign this sad, sorry and upsetting episode to the past

and

I think it will probably be a very, very, very long time before I even think about making another Comment on Codewars

Just admit you dropped the ball and move on

Hello saudiGuy,

I am in broad agreement with the principle of what you are saying and I genuinely hope that CodeWars is full of amazing people

In this regard, I wish to express my sincere compliments to yourself because I have perceived your post as an attempt to try and:

(a)
Portray that CodeWars does have some amazing people on it (which I hope it does)

and

(b)
Restore my faith in humanity and/or society - but the experience of this conversation trail has seemingly only drawn out the 'non-amazing' people who also unfortunately frequent this website

As far I am concerned, the crux of this conversation has been:

(a)
I respectfully asked for the author of this challenge to review the tests that were programmed to this challenge - and, in this regard I would like to thank dinglemouse for their reply and for taking the time to give the example test the 'once over'

(b)
All I initially feel I got for my troubles was to be trolled by one CodeWars user trolling myself as a 'buffoon' and another trolling myself as someone with a 'neurodevelopmental disorder' - and I have blocked four CodeWars users (to date) as a result of this conversation trail

(c)
The first polite/constructive (i.e. - non-abusive) reply I got was from Karacott who, using facts and constructive language, outlined that the example Array had eleven items and not ten

and

(d)
In my first reply to Karacott, I acknowledged that the Array "[0,0,3,0,0,0,0,-2,0,0,0]" had eleven numbers and not ten (i.e. - I admitted that 'mistake')

With that being said, my experience of this challenge as I have been attempting to solve this has been:

--->
When I got coding to pass the example test, the coding then failed the random tests

and

--->
When I got the coding to pass the random tests, it then failed the example test

In closing, I can only re-iterate:

(a)
When my coding is unsuccessful, my initial premise is to presume that there is a flaw in my coding

(b)
If I am reasonably satisfied that my coding is sound, I check the Comments of the challenge to see if others are having (or have had) issues with the challenge

...and only if the challenge shows evidence of people expressing problems and/or issues...

(c)
I respectfully ask the author of the challenge to review the tests that have been programmed within the challenge

In this regard, I have taken Step C less than 10 times, and I have completed nearly 1900 Kata - and so it should be apparent to all concerned that I rarely take this step and I do not do it lightly

Hi CAdams747,

Codewars is full of amazing people. You can make them your friends with your amazing coding skills. Learn from them, even if it's the hard way, but always remember to accept your mistakes.

Hello *Kacarott

In broad principle, I am in agreement with the general overtone sentiments of your post

but

Before elaborating further on the previous sentence, I wish to make the following clear to all CodeWars users that at the time of sending:

(a)
I am inside the Top 900 on the CodeWars Leaderboard

(b)
I have completed nearly 1900 Kata

and

(c)
Having reviewed all of my seldomly made Comments on this website, I have made the request for a challenge author to review their programmed test less than ten times and, to give a rough calculation of the frequency of request "10 / 1900 = 0.53%"

With regards to my attempts to solve this Kata:

When my coding and it passed the random tests it was then failing the example test

and

When I tweaked my coding and it passed the random tests it was then failing the example test

As I have stated in a previous post:

When I work on a challenge and my coding is unsuccessful, I initially work to the premise that there is a flaw in my coding - but when I am reasonably satisfied that my coding is correct I then review the Comments to see if others are encountering similar problems, which may indicate a flaw in the programmed tests

In this instance, I have perceived from reading the Comments linked to this challenge that there were indeed others who were encountering similar issues - which re-inforced a perception that there may potentially be a flaw in the programmed tests

I think that Point C from the above outlines that I do not make a request of a challenge author either frequently or lightly

I am not interested in changing anyone else's opinion - as my faith in both humanity and society decreases with every day that passes because of conduct like that of some of the other CodeWars users - but during this conversation trail:

(a)
In a now deleted conversation trail I have been trolled as a 'buffoon'

and

(b)
In a post which is still on this challenge at the time of posting, I have been trolled as someone having a 'neurodevelopmental disorder' which is, at best, insenstive to people who genuinely have such a medical condition

If you do not delete all of the conversation trails that have been initiated by myself then in my considered personal opinion:

(a) You are implicity saying that the above two examples are acceptable conduct both on CodeWars and in society in general

(b) You will seriously and heavily discourage people from making (acceptable) Comments on CodeWars going forwards

@CAdams747

I still do believe that the author of this challenge should give all of the programmed tests a 'once over' to ensure that all of the programmed tests do contain the correct results - but I obviously cannot compel the author of this challenge to do that

That's ME. I wrote this Kata. I wrote that example.

Actually, I already saw you original question yesterday, and I already I saw that EPiph correctly responded to it, so I upvoted the reply.

In my experience, before making raising an issue it is best to STOP and then check how many times a Kata has been solved. Given this is a 7 yr-old Kata example with 982 previous solutions the odds were literally almost 1000:1 that your "issue" would be self-inflicted, even if you couldn't see the reason.

Anyway, I felt compelled to give that example the once over, so I did, and it LGTM.

I actually wasn't notified about these messages... so only seeing them now...

Sorry if I closed your issue without too much of an explanation yesterday, I thought what I said would be enough to point the right direction. I only recently got the privilege to close issues.

Hi CAdams747

Yes, writing a solution which passes sample tests only to fail the full tests is actually quite a regular occurance on Codewars. This is because the full tests contain a full set of randomised tests and often many more fixed tests to ensure the validity of a solution.

Due to this, it is actually very common for solvers to become convinced that there is a problem in the tests, instead of in their code. This is why you will often see many comments in the discourse about this, but in my experience, 99% of the time it is just a problem with the solvers solution in a way they hadn't realised.

However it is of course possible for a kata to have errors, and we want to take this seriously, but if authors were required to "do a once over" anytime a solver felt like their solution was correct, there would be an unendless amount of work to do, because as I mentioned, this happens very often. This is why longtime users on this site tend to only take issues seriously which directly show a problem. Usually this means showing an input which was tested, and showing that the result that the tests expect is actually wrong.

Without this direct proof, requesting that a kata tests be checked over is a bit unreasonable. Keep in mind that all kata are checked carefully (or, should be) before being approved, and most real issues are found within the first few solves (while this kata already has hundreds of successful solves). Now, the issue you raised did try to show a direct proof, which is good, the only problem was that the proof had a flaw. I believe this is why the other users were giving you a hard time, because rather than simply acknowleging the mistake (which we all make) you kept insisting that your solution was correct.

So, with that all being said, I encourage you to continue trying to solve the kata, and keep track of the inputs being tested with. If you do run into an input where you are sure that the expected solution is wrong, then please raise an issue with the details, and either the kata author or someone else will look into it and fix it.

As for deleting the conversation, this would involve deleting other users posts too which is also not a reasonable request, unless they violate terms of service or similar (and from what I see, nothing of that kind has happened here). Posts on Codewars are fairly permanent, which hopefully has the positive effect of people thinking through their messages more carefully :)

@CAdams747, excuse me for the intrusion. I'm picking up clear signs of a neurodevelopmental disorder from the prosody and information packaging in your writing; for your privacy I won't say which one and I suggest you don't either. I understand this conversation is upsetting for you. I strongly suggest that none of the following are going to help:

1. Requesting that these conversations be deleted, or being upset when they are not
2. Continuing to communicate your belief that the author should check the tests for accuracy, or being upset when that action is not taken
3. Participating further in this particular discourse in any way, or being upset when others continue to do so

The best you can do is to set this issue down in your mind. You are not going to convince other users here of your viewpoint because they have their own good reasons for believing what they do, and if you are not likely to change your own mind then it's best you just leave this one as it stands.

Codewars is not in the business of censoring conversations. This is not a monologue, others are involved in this conversation too. I don't think you have the right, nor should you have the audacity to make such a request.

Hello Kacarott,

In direct answer to your question, I am happy to accept that "[0,0,3,0,0,0,0,-2,0,0,0]" has eleven (11) numbers in it

With that being said, in the several attempts I have had to try and resolve this challenge I have had instances where I have passed the example test but then the solution then fails the random tests and then if I tweak the solution to seemingly pass the random tests I have then found that my coding fails the example test - and from reading the Comments linked to this challenge I have gained the perception that there have been a few others that have encountered similar issues

When I work on a challenge and my coding is unsuccessful, I initially work to the premise that there is a flaw in my coding - but when I am reasonably satisfied that my coding is correct I then review the Comments to see if others are encountering similar problems, which may indicate a flaw in the programmed tests

In this instance, I have perceived from reading the Comments linked to this challenge that there were indeed others who were encountering similar issues - which re-inforced a perception that there may potentially be a flaw in the programmed tests

On that basis, earlier today I respectfully asked the author of this challenge to review the tests that had been programmed into this challenge - but I regret to advise that I have received some unbecoming comments from some CodeWars users in response to that respectful request to the extent that I have taken the measure of blocking two CodeWars users (which I think, prior to today, is an unprecendented measure)

I still do believe that the author of this challenge should give all of the programmed tests a 'once over' to ensure that all of the programmed tests do contain the correct results - but I obviously cannot compel the author of this challenge to do that

From what I can see, you appear to be a moderator on the CodeWars website and, on that basis, I would therefore be extremely grateful if you could please delete any conversation trails that I have initiated from this challenge so that I can put the events of today behind me

Hello CAdams747,

I think you might have miscounted, as the example you gave is actually eleven (11) squares in length:

>> len([0,0,3,0,0,0,0,-2,0,0,0])
11

So therefore the description seems accurate to me. Do you agree?

Hello Blind4Basics,

I did not feel my request for the author of this challenge to review the tests to be unreasonable, but I would like this conversation trail to be deleted as the conduct of others who have responded has upset myself a great deal

I would therefore like this conversation trail to be deleted in its entirety so that I can try to forget about this upsetting episode, which I have to say has greatly discouraged myself from making further comments/enquiries in the future

Hello,

why should it be deleted?